| Originator: | Marius Begay |
| Submitter: | Marius Begay |
| Date Created: | 10/23/2013 Date Submitted: 10/23/2013 Status: Approved |
| Attendance : | Arizona State University Arizona Western College AZTransfer Staff Central Arizona College Cochise College Coconino Community College Eastern Arizona College Maricopa Community Colleges Mohave Community College Northern Arizona University Northland Pioneer College Pima Community College Tohono O'odham Community College University of Arizona Yavapai Community College |
| Next Fall Meeting Date : | October 11 |
| Next Fall Meeting Time : | 10:00am |
| Next Meeting Location : | Northland Pioneer College |
| Next Meeting Chair and Institution : | Chris Miller |
| Meeting Type : | In Person |
| Spring Meeting Date : | April 4-5, 2014 |
| Next Meeting Host and Institution : | Eli Blake |
| Meeting Time : | 10:00am |
| Spring Meeting Location : | Paradise Valley Community College |
| Spring Meeting Chair : | Stephen Nicolof |
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CEGs:
College Algebra/Trigonometry vs. Precalculus discussion: Important to note in the CEGs that College Algebra and Trigonometry courses may not transfer as Precalculus at the university level (as they transfer as College Algebra and Trigonometry courses respectively at the institutions that offer these individual courses), but it should be noted that together they meet the prerequisite for calculus at the university level. Precalculus courses (MAT 187) should transfer to ASU as the 4 credit MAT 171 course (STEM majors) as opposed to the 3 credit MAT 170 (non-STEM majors) course (as discussed in Spring ATF). This needs to be a global change in the CEGs for all community colleges that offer 187. If the CEGs are showing ?messed up? NAU transfers (showing courses that do not exist, etc.), notify your ATAC person to correct this, as this is just a glitch in the system. |
| Spring Meeting Host : | Scott Surgent |
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Common course matrices:
First semester calculus at UA listed as MAT 124 has been split into two courses (122A and 122B) but as they are unsure of whether these two courses will be kept, 124 should remain in the matrices. The Mathematics Matrix and Common Course listing are the same (we need only one). The Differential Equations Footnote ?(195) ASU: MAT275 does not have a direct community college equivalent, except for MCCCD's MAT277?: Coconino and Central Arizona may have that equivalency as well. The footnote itself should be changed to say ?? MAT 276 or MAT 277? |
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Exam Matrices:
CLEP exams: Discussion over the use of the abbreviations NT vs. NA: difference in notation referring to whether the institution does not take it (does't transfer) vs. whether the equivalent course is not applicable or available at the institution. College Algebra: currently has two columns, but should only have one; the column labeled 50 score should be the only column listed; the column labeled 51 score should be deleted. College Math: only a few institutions accept this exam for credit as it was decided that the test did not cover the agreed upon topics of the College Math courses (it covers only algebra topics). Eastern Arizona College (EAC) and Coconino (CCC) expressed that they will remove their acceptance of this exam. Cochise will keep their acceptance at the intermediate algebra level, which does not present a problem since the course does not transfer to other institutions. Precalculus: currently has two columns, but should only have one; the column labeled 50 score should be the only column listed; the column labeled 51 score should be deleted. Some institutions may not accept the exam because they do not offer a Precalculus course, but these colleges can review it and decide if giving credit for college algebra and trigonometry courses would be appropriate and report this decision back to the ATF. AP exams: Calculus AB: no changes. Calculus BC: Coconino's MAT 220 course should be labeled 5 credits. Discussion ensued on granting credit for first semester calculus (MAT 220) from the BC test results based on the AB subscore. Agreement had been reached in previous meetings to do so, and was approved again at this meeting. Thus it was determined that a third column needs to be added stating: Exam score 1 or 2 with AB subscore 3 or higher, and under this column should repeat the first semester calculus courses. Each school will need to inform their ATAC person to do so. Statistics: University of Arizona's MAT 160 has changed to MAT 163 and 263. MAT 163 gives an overview of statistics, while 263 goes into through ANOVA and into more depth. They have the same prerequisite but are designed to meet different needs (163: agricultural and life sciences, 263: others). Discussion at this point also included review of statistics courses that have two different prerequisite options (College Algebra or College Math) at Pima and NPC, and these seem to be working fine for these institutions. DSST Exams: College Algebra: no changes Principles of Statistics: UA was going to give math elective credit as it was felt that this exam was light on inference, but DSST has refused to provide information on this test, and so UA is not going to give credit. IB tests: There is agreement that the various schools can have different policies on this exam as many of the community colleges do not see students with this exam credit. |
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CEGs:
College Algebra/Trigonometry vs. Precalculus discussion: Important to note in the CEGs that College Algebra and Trigonometry courses may not transfer as Precalculus at the university level (as they transfer as College Algebra and Trigonometry courses respectively at the institutions that offer these individual courses), but it should be noted that together they meet the prerequisite for calculus at the university level. Precalculus courses (MAT 187) should transfer to ASU as the 4 credit MAT 171 course (STEM majors) as opposed to the 3 credit MAT 170 (non-STEM majors) course (as discussed in Spring ATF). This needs to be a global change in the CEGs for all community colleges that offer 187. Curricular issues: Different pathways to College Math (MAT 142), Math for Elementary Teachers: Discussion reiterated that if the competencies are in place, MAT 142 will still transfer even if courses other than intermediate algebra are used as prerequisites. UA noted that 142 is a prerequisite for their elementary education math course, and will continue to go with the flow. The college of education keeps track of whether transferring students are different, and have been happy with the results. Their 300-level el. Ed. math course is not automatically articulated, requiring a syllabus review, but no transfers have been rejected since 2006. Coconino?s intermediate math course covers ratio and proportion, radicals, exponents and logarithms, graphing functions, solving quadratics with the quadratic formula and using the Pythagorean Theorem. ASU?s redesign via Knewton includes intermediate algebra with two tracks, one leading to College Algebra and one to College Math. Remedial 0-credit courses are completed in the computer lab, where students must pass a comprehensive final. Success rates in the next course have been good. Their MAT 142 and MAT 117 courses are hybridized, 1 day a week with instructor, 1 day in normal class with targeted instruction. The system provides a lot of information about the students? progress. MAT 142 has been really successful, while MAT 117 is a work in progress. They hope for a better platform in Fall 2014. The redesign has been rolled out to all students on all campuses. ASU?s Math for Elementary Teachers redesign (Teaching Foundations Project, TFP) is moving on as scheduled, although the third course is not part of the schedule yet. The three courses are Investigating Quantity, Investigating Space (geometry) and Investigating Change (a 300 level course). The 300 level course is only offered at ASU, as the college of education is concerned about the community colleges doing this course. After Spring 2014, ASU will no longer accept the two-course Math for Elementary Teachers sequence. The Maricopa system has been working on 4 credit courses that will include the new competencies as a response. ASU would prefer that their Math for Elementary Teachers students take College Algebra as a prerequisite, but right now they currently take MAT 142 or higher. The Maricopa system noted that their 142 no longer has a prerequisite of intermediate algebra and they have different placement scores for 142 and College Algebra. They are discussing an intermediate math course which is pared down to cover what was agreed on at ATF. Maricopa is also developing math modules to replace their developmental math courses (Math Modules for College Readiness). They are discussing an Intermediate Math course as a possible entry point for MAT 142. Some schools have only an Intermediate Algebra course as a prerequisite for the Math for Elementary Teachers sequence. If a student transfers to UA with only Intermediate Algebra, they will still have to take College Math (MAT 142). Eastern Arizona: They were asked to bring up at ATF meetings that some courses are not transferring unless a syllabus is provided. It was affirmed that if a transfer agreement exists, it transfers. If not, it gets reviewed. This depends on the uniqueness of the course. Mohave: Asked if other schools offered Intermediate Algebra as dual enrollment course. Only EAC does, and via ITV from the college (instructed by a college instructor, not a high school instructor). Concern was expressed that the course would not be college level. Pima noted that their CDAC had voted not to offer it. |
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| Effective Date for Exam Changes : | Spring 2014 |